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No.554
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>>514>GeneralsFuck I hate those. If I had a chan I'd ban them.
No.556
>>555 (checked, nice)
That's okay although it's not great. I participate in the "post your current thought" threads on the Elitist Superstructure, although I prefer the more transient boardfeel of the Unholy Citadel.
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I recently came across an updated version of OP's image that reflects the latest developments.
No.719
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>>510Hell yeah. Top image is accurate. 4chan and Youtube had just been created and everything was new and exciting. Most 4channers including myself were high-school kids back then. Even something like "lol" was not a part of culture outside of the internet. And feminists were just a passing curiosity, SJW wasn't a thing. Things were pretty chill till around 2008, that's when internet culture started to seep into the real world. Project Chanology was kind of a defining moment for that.
Things were still decent up until around 2012. And IMO the whole GamerGate thing, whether you care about it or not, marked the downfall of 4chan. I mean 4chan still exists and is not going to go down or anything, but every time I go there it's the same 10 generic topics. But that's just how it be. The craziest thing was how the whole niggers and Jews thing went from being a joke to the shitshow we have now.
>>718Yeah, Yotsuba, Azumanga and Ichigo Mashimaro were the big thing back in 05-06, then Haruhi was pretty big, then Lucky Star, then Squid Girl, then Watamote… Probably missed a bunch. Time just keeps going. Oh well, there's always some new shit going on in the world.
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>>719>Then Lucky StarNo, it was Lucky Star/Gurren Lagann.
2007=BEST YEAR!
SOULS COMBINING! THE FIRES OF JUSTICE, POWER, AND BRAVERY HAS MIXED! FORMING THE MACHINE EVEN GREATER THAN THE GOD OF DESTRUCTION! GAOGURRENGUNDAM XLRIDER IS BORN!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No.741
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Are they fucking serious?!
With a secure browser it's impossible to post because google captcha fucks you and wants connections allowed and even then it's not likely that you may post. After solving over 9000 google AI ~~trainings~~ trollings …
Imageboards now only for the rich and carefree. Small boards are fine but if you want to spread content widely; have fast exchange of thoughts and contents, 4chan is still inevitable.
No.742
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>still using 4chan in the current year
No.748
>>746Looks like the bottom section of this image
>>717But I guess that's nice for the modern imageboard users.
No.932
>>512I've been there since 2012 but i could feel it was already collapsing. 2016 and later the domain split were the final nails in the coffin, things got exponentially worse since.
There's a lot of what I wished from 4chan in places like this one, so I wish I got tired of it earlier.
I don't know how, but I'd love to buy a cheap server and run a textboard on it. I have a few ideas.
No.935
>>934I'm not even sure if that's true anymore. It seems like people just abuse their "freedom" every time. You can't even have a real discussion anymore with people who are actually capable of basic critical thinking.
Overall I'm just sick of people. There was never much real, oppressive censorship in the West anyway, it's just people who demanded this situation because that's the kind of world they want.
No.937
>>935If you have criteria for things not allowed to be said, bad people will twist the words of others until they fit those criteria.
Just look at Tumblr. Supporting pedophiles and nazis is bad, so now asexuals are pedos, republicans are nazis, and saying that transexuality is a medical condition makes you both. And once you have those labels applied to you, it only takes a teenager bored-enough to find your personal info to get doxxed and have your life ruined.
No.939
>>937>>936I think this is a misguided opinion. What you described happens when you're trying to fit millions of people on a social media website because you want to mine data and serve ads, so you need to welcome all the trash on the planet except Nazis and pedophiles (just because you really have to). That's the lowest possible standards for a community and there are people who think that's still too much.
The truth is that if your objective is building a community, these standards are way too low. Do you just exclude Nazis and pedos when making friends? I might decide to not be friends with someone because I don't like his taste in music, does that make me a tyrant?
Having higher standards is not censorship, it's common sense. Is it censorship if an editor rejects a book because he thinks it's not a good book, just because his decision is arbitrary instead of following a checklist?
Allowing all kinds of idiots everywhere with as little discrimination as possible except a little checklist of no-nos is what created this Orwellian scenario where the meaning of things and the items on the checklist are constantly rewritten by mass media and angry mobs. That's how "censorship", "free speech" and other words have lost all meaning, and knowing how to appeal to dumb masses with no attention span carries more weight than the word of experts and authorities.
No.940
>>939Though you may not be friends with people you don't like, that doesn't make it ok to put them in jail for being like that.
The risk that comes with censoring the flow of speech is incalculable. In order to think, you have to risk being offensive. Try talking about any hot button issue without offending someone. You can't.
No.942
>>941>>940Gatekeeping your community or only inviting people you like to your private party is neither censorship nor putting people in jail. As I said these issues are only a thing on an extremely large scale at which only megacorporations or governments operate, and even in those cases there's a need for a system of rules. I don't think a society's freedom is inversely proportional to the presence of rules. Actually I believe that rules and boundaries - in a community's case, the agreements between members of said community - are the greatest foundation to true freedom.
I don't understand small decentralized communities who insist so much on upholding these absolute freedoms only to end up like public toilets. I'd rather have mods who kick people arbitrarily if they disrupt the conversation or lower the quality of content by common sense standards that I might not agree with, than a bunch of identical copies of the same community with the same post quality.
No.944
>>943Yeah, but what I meant is that smaller internet communities shouldn't have to use thresholds as low as mass social media, yet what usually happens is that they use thresholds that are even lower.
If you have a fan club of a sports team, and someone who is not interested in sports wants to talk about something else instead, it makes sense to kick that person out. It wouldn't make sense to kick that person from a public park because he's not a fan of a sports team. Inversely, including people who don't care about the sports team in the fan club will disintegrate the fan club. So many internet communities today try to be just as broad as a larger site but with less users, and they fail because of this reason.
On a governmental scale it's a whole another issue, but the essence is still the same: most of the complications in the design of laws are about making the rules be as universally applicable as possible while covering all the needed boundaries to establish a functioning society. But with so many people who want different things under the same umbrella it gets increasingly complicated to find harmony. It makes sense to demand that on this very broad level one should be allowed to have "free speech" and not be shut up by whatever group on an arbitrary basis. But this is in itself a rule (a boundary on the listener) made to foster dialogue, instead of the more common interpretation that it is just a pass for the speaker to do whatever.
Centralization, both physical with metropolises and digital with social media, are only fragmenting society instead of bringing everyone together. Or better, people are getting too worried about being part of the largest group and forgetting about all the inner rings.
No.948
>>742At this point I only go for late night threads and special events. Finding threads with good discussion and minimal normalfaggotry is a treat.
>>745Even some of the less popular boards resemble facebook in terms of post quality. Just take a look at /ck/, full of pepe and one sentence posts.
No.959
>>958I like them because it bears little influence on how sites work and flow.
In social media, everything can be dug up. For archives of imageboards, the anonymous posting is still secure so nothing is lost. It primarily helps people like me who only lurk or browse for discussion on certain topics.
I think it makes browsing more efficient and easier to ignore the trash.
No.966
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>>719>were still decent up until around 2012. And IMO the whole GamerGate thing, whether you care about it or not, marked the downfall of 4chan. I mean 4chan still exists and is not going to go down or anything, but every time I go there it's the same 10 generic topics. But that's just how it be. The craziest thing was how the whole niggers and Jews thing went from being a joke to the shitshow we have now.I thought I was the only one who thought like that but now I found this place.
It is a strange kind of pain that I'm feeling when I think about how it once was just for the lulz and now it all has an agenda…
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>>966I've felt the same way for quite a while. Honestly the best decision of my life was to quit going to that place for anything other than occasional porn. Pic Related.
>>967The entire world was heading in that direction in hindsight, really because how those in charge not doing anything to remedy the fundamental problems. It was only a matter of time before a reaction came into being. I like the place though, it's really an escape from the chaos everywhere on the internet. I hope it stays that way.
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this image says it all
fuck normies and their gamergate fash world
No.982
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>>510I have stopped using it since it turned to absolute shit after 2016. I started using it around 2013/2014 which is already as a late comer. People back then were complaining about the quality back then too. 4chan needs to be left alone to slowly die, but places like here and lain are good and a solid example of how we need to absolutely decentralize even in our imageboards.
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>>996I relate to this so much. I browsed the IC board, learning art, and they had this in joke the site was full of crabs. The gist was crabs in a bucket pull each other down like how anons in the site would not stop making pointless nitpicks/attacking others art, wouldn't stop posting artist e-celeb drama, and wouldn't stop posting how everyone should give up because they lack 'talent'. They filled my head with "I don't have to get good at art because I'm better than *them*", "I can only post perfect art or I'm one of the people crabs make fun of", and "If I don't instantly become an art god I should give up". I stopped browsing that place for a year and got rid of those thoughts, along with improving, but sometimes I give in to the urge to revisit that place, which I always regret.
Also anon if it makes you feel better the people who make petty "cringing at teens art" post are rarely good at art themselves. I've seen their redraws of the bad art and it's always worst.
No.1026
After joining 4chan in 2018 I've browsed it for about a year and a half before leaving it because it was toxic for my mind. Thing is even if you refuse something when you read it, even if you discard it as stupid, if you read it enough times it still affects you. So I agree with
>>975 on this.
I've read lots of threads about how old times were better, I've read archived threads, and now I mostly browse an alt-chan dedicated to the old 4chan spirit which is much, much saner.
However in some ways 4chan is still unique, at least to me. When I've found it I was still pretty enthusiastic/energetic, and I am and was into creative stuff (mostly music, which made /mu/ my main board). I absolutely loved collaboration projects of any kind, plus there was a push for oc (more on [s4s] than /mu/ I guess) and the result was a set of experiences which were really fun, in the sea of shit of course.
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No.1027
I've made music for community-made albums, I've actually started experimenting with singing in big part because of the protection of anonymity, I've had an anon build a surprisingly good instrumental for an horrible improvised singing attempt I recorded on my phone in my bathroom, and the result of that is still dear to me today (and cracks me up every time). I've made instrumentals for singing recordings of others myself, I've had the first person ever rap on a beat of mine (which was a silly beatbox thing) and all of these things are magical to me, as are some of the things I found. I've also made shitty drawings/comics/animations, all of which wouldn't have happened if not for 4chan. I have good friends irl, but I never ever did anything as exciting with them.
Now I sit in my alt-chan and I still do things once in a while, but I've changed, I'm much more tired (partially for unrelated reasons), plus that place is kinda slow. There's rarely anything as interesting going on, and when there is it's not as likely it will have the same wild contributions it could've had on 4chan. Less people means less variety I guess.
I'm not going back to that shithole of 4chan though.
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No.1029
>>1028Well, depends on what you want.
First option would be taking an existing engine and modifying it to meet your needs (for ex. this website). This can be as easy as just installing a vichan/whatever-cool-kids-use-today and changing a logo, and it can be as hard as making a major rewrite if you want to implement some weird issues.
Second option would be making a chan from scratch. This is what I did.
This is obviously pretty involved, but it is fun in some sense. I've learned (well, not really) PHP this way… Learned that vulnerabilities might happen, etc. Eventually it will pay off I think.
In both cases it is a good idea to know basic sysadmin stuff, like dealing with Linux (you're not going to pay for expensive Windows server VPS, right?), how to deal with Apache/nginx and such. I mean, you can use a hosting, but you just have more control with a VPS
Also, programming is creative in a way.
Anyway, in the end of the day you will end up with another only-admin-visits chan, because people seem to like speed of posting. This is kinda sad.
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>>748/qa/ had a 3rd party filter system that made it a 2D/random board before hiro killed that and forced the move to kissu and other spinoffs. It was nice and fun, but it was kind of weird that we were acting like this when we weren't teenagers anymore. /qa/ had an edit of that image where she was having fun again.
>>967Those first 2 years or so on 8chan were fun as hell, everyone was trying to make their own board, IRC was popping, etc. It's sad what it became and how it ended. The webring kind of brought it back, but it didn't retain many users outside of the huge boards. But it did make anonymous imageboards much more decentralized again. It was juvenile but it was authentic and fun.
>>958There are certain time periods on certain boards I wish I could turn into books and have with me forever. Archives make me very wistful, though and some have their own culture of ghostposting. Many suffer from spotty archives and some straight-up don't keep images to avoid legal issues.
>>1028I think you should help with and post on already existing ones rather than add another one, it will likely add another corpse to the pile of dead boards.
>>932There are webms of how bad it has gotten. It's almost crazy that it managed to get worse.
>>947Discord has sucked the life out of so much, it's almost sad, even those hole in the wall MAL club and "cyberpunk" communities have had the life sucked out of them by discord.
No.1087
>>1002Oh i've used /ic/ quite a lot few years back. It's honestly a horrible place. And while they say they are harsh on people to give constructive criticism, frequently it's just bullshit. I understand not like someone's art, even if he's skilled. I do that too, but I never would shit on him personally. I wish a cozy place for art existed online, but nothing so far found. And I have no clue how I should advertise my own stuff. I don't even feel like I can because it makes me feel like an snake oil salesman
As a side note, I have a really cute story to tell. When I was posting my art to insta some (I assume) little girl liked my post, and she often visits my page to see what I've made. She also makes lots of cute fairy, witch and magic art and seems to have made a small clique of art friends there cause they like their stuff and tell themselves positive things. It warms my heart everytime I see it on my home page.
